Pot, kettle, black?

oeokosko · House on Fire

Pot, kettle, black?

Tango · In the Long Grass

the middle eastern chaos never ends does it.

_johanna_ · Drag Me Down

Tango wrote:

the middle eastern chaos never ends does it.

and that makes you smile?? weird place to put a smiley isn't it..

Tango · In the Long Grass

wrong smiley.i meant to click

come to think of it i think ill ad a

in as well

Jules · The biggest Geldof fan in the world, bar none!

It was always bound to have repurcussions around the world. We all knew that. However, I still feel shocked and helpless and ashamed of my government. If only Tony Blair could have listened to his own advice then...

Chaos? It is a complete disaster.

oeokosko · House on Fire

One thing is clear. Iran is safe from invasion for the forseeable future. To misquote Oscar Wilde if I may, "to invade one muslim country is unfortunate, to invade two seems like carelessness, to invade three, well, it's looking like an obsession." The US is just not strong enough to fight a long drawn-out war over the whole area from Iraq to Afghanistan, despite it's military might, because it would be fighting the whole of Islam. It just doesn't have enough soldiers, and couldn't count on help from anyone (even the closet Tory Blair will be gone soon). Plus the US electorate wouldn't be able to stand the casualties from such a war so far from home and would sooner or later vote to quit.

No wonder Iran is taking the opportunity to acquire nuclear weapons. And why shouldn't it? There is no golden rule that says only America and Israel can have the Bomb. That is just a rule made up by America and Israel.

spc1970 · Rat Trap

From an AP story:

"At times, the letter got personal. Al-Zawahri said he tasted the bitterness of America's brutality..."

Now that's a real example of the pot calling the kettle black!!

meekus · Tonight

Murder is murder. Death is death. It's all equal because it can't be brough back. Stupid arguement, really. Neither side is better than the other.

By default, I anticipate a patriotc speech from spc1970.

spc1970 · Rat Trap

You're against patriotism?

Tango · In the Long Grass

how does that make him against patriotism?

Jules · The biggest Geldof fan in the world, bar none!

What is the point of patriotism? We are all one race in one world. A bit of physical land with sea/ocean dividing us makes no difference to anything at all. Why should you be proud of being born in one place? It means nothing to me. We should all stand together as one race, the human one. And that case there is no need to hate or bomb each other at all.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Jules wrote:

What is the point of patriotism?

You saw Ireland's tame surrender to the Swiss last night as well.....

meekus · Tonight

Very true, Jules.

Though it'll never happen.

spc1970 · Rat Trap

In your opinion, why won't it ever happen?

oeokosko · House on Fire

I should say that most, if not all, international conflicts, and a large number of internal ones, including interpersonal ones, are about land. I think this is inherent in our animal make-up - you try getting past those geese!

Patriotism is something slightly different though; patriotism is whipped up by those with a political agenda (defend your land FOR MY BENEFIT). Who was it said that "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"? I guess we will always have patriotism as long as we have people who feel the need to be flag-waggers.

Tango · In the Long Grass

itll never happen because theres always someone who begs to differ or is just plain cruel

Jules · The biggest Geldof fan in the world, bar none!

Conflicts or wars are usually about ownership (i.e. money or land) or power.

And as for patriotism I think we should ditch all flags.

You are right though we will never see then end of either, money greed and power and territorialism (which leads to ownership of land - my land/your land) will stop it. My views are very idealistic, I realise that.