Dislikes

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Dislikes

Mark L · Loudmouth

Same as you, except quite like Storm Breaks.

Not keen on Mood Mambo either.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

manatthetop wrote:
Regarding Rats song's I dislike or lets say would not play much which I have to point out are very few
1 Charmed lives (Never play) Just don't get this song (Hair really)
2 Storm breaks ( Normally skip) I can take or leave this one (Over our heads)
3 Little death (Normally skip) Same with this one (Got cold feet)
That's it really. The rest I can not fault

I have to disagree with A Storm Breaks as it's one of the better V Deep songs. I still play the LPs, so skipping isn't always viable, but as bad as these are, none match up to total crassness of Another Piece of Red. Poor on almost every level. Thankfully it is a short song, though they did stick a live version on the re-mastered Mondo Bongo as if one isn't enough.

Also if you delve into the re-masters, there is the abysmal cover of Arnold Layne, but that's one that can easily be removed, or at the very least renumbered so it is last on the tracklisting reminding you to listen to something else. Renumber all the tracks anyway to get them in the same order as the originals.

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

That's what's good about having an opinion. See I like Another piece of red. I get it. Not like Geldof to go down that road. But I agree with you on the Arnold Layne track the reason why I did not pick out this song was because it's nothing to do with the rats. I do play Little death and a storm breaks just not every often. Regarding Little death I think Dave was born out of this song I know it's about his friend's girl But you know what I mean

noelindublin · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
manatthetop wrote:
Regarding Rats song's I dislike or lets say would not play much which I have to point out are very few
1 Charmed lives (Never play) Just don't get this song (Hair really)
2 Storm breaks ( Normally skip) I can take or leave this one (Over our heads)
3 Little death (Normally skip) Same with this one (Got cold feet)
That's it really. The rest I can not fault
I have to disagree with A Storm Breaks as it's one of the better V Deep songs. I still play the LPs, so skipping isn't always viable, but as bad as these are, none match up to total crassness of Another Piece of Red. Poor on almost every level. Thankfully it is a short song, though they did stick a live version on the re-mastered Mondo Bongo as if one isn't enough.
Also if you delve into the re-masters, there is the abysmal cover of Arnold Layne, but that's one that can easily be removed, or at the very least renumbered so it is last on the tracklisting reminding you to listen to something else. Renumber all the tracks anyway to get them in the same order as the originals.

I think the version of Arnold Layne is quite good, and certainly not 'abysmal'. Still not sure why stealing womens underwear would amount to a jail sentence:

Now he's caught - a nasty sort of person
They gave him time
Doors bang - chain gang - he hates it

ps the only Pink Floyd songs I like are the ones written by Syd Barrett, and Syd's solo albums are brilliant.

-- Edited by noelindublin on Monday 24th of February 2014 03:48:32 PM

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Have to say I do like the song Geldof sings in the wall I got news for you sunshine pink isn't well he's back at the hotel

suss · In the Long Grass

Mark L wrote:
Same as you, except quite like Storm Breaks.
Not keen on Mood Mambo either.

Pretty much speaks for me too.

I don't mind A Storm Breaks, with or without words.

Mood Mambo and Charmed Lives command enough attention to irritate me, so active dislike I suppose. Little Death just passes me by completely....total indifference to it. One of the few tracks where I can't even remember many if any of the lyrics.

Jury still out on the most recent 2 tracks, not a positive sign, but likely to fall into the Little Death camp, so to speak.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

suss wrote:

Jury still out on the most recent 2 tracks, not a positive sign, but likely to fall into the Little Death camp, so to speak.

Oh, I forgot those, still in denial. Ratfied and Ratlife are even worse than Charmed Lives, likewise The Boomtown Rats!

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

noelindublin wrote:
the only Pink Floyd songs I like are the ones written by Syd Barrett...

Same here, but the Floyd version of Arnold Layne is good. The Rats one is awful.

Mark L · Loudmouth

I hadn't commented on the 4 new tracks, as the last time I did that, Manatthetop saw red.... I didn't want another piece of red! However, since a post like this has been raised, here goes:

Back to Boomtown - really good

The Boomtown Rats - poor - marginally better when live, so avoids Manatthetop's Room 101

Ratified and Ratlife - poorer still - so these have to go in

Agree with Manatthetop's view on The Wall song. Snarling lyrics delivered superbly by Geldof but elongated into a 3 minute song might not have worked.

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Very good I have to agree with you on this one Even manatthetop can get it wrong. I think it's called being human Ha ha. But you do have a point

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
The Boomtown Rats - poor - marginally better when live, so avoids Manatthetop's Room 101
Ratified and Ratlife - poorer still - so these have to go in

How poor? Ranking a bottom ten, they'd be propping it up.

For what it's worth...

Charmed Lives
Europe Looked Ugly
Talking in Code
Walking Downtown
The Little Death
Another Piece of Red
Arnold Layne
The Boomtown Rats
Ratiified
Ratlife

I excluded Say Hi to Mick and She's The Best as they are barely songs as neither last much more than a minute, if that. Skin on Skin was a contender but managed to miss the cut. Charmed Lives ranked higher than I expected! Had it not been a single, I'd probably be more well disposed towards it.

Other than those, despite liking some songs more than others there's nothing I'd try to avoid.

noelindublin · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
noelindublin wrote:
the only Pink Floyd songs I like are the ones written by Syd Barrett...
Same here, but the Floyd version of Arnold Layne is good. The Rats one is awful.

Have you heard Syd Barrett song called Rats. The lyrics make no sense, I think Syd was starting to loose it big time at this stage. Only the last verse mentions rats and Syd sings:

rats, rats lay down flat
we don't need you, we act like that
and if you think you're un-loved
then we know about that...
rats, rats, lay down flat!
yes, yes, yes, yes, lay down flat!

noelindublin · Loudmouth

Mark L wrote:
I hadn't commented on the 4 new tracks, as the last time I did that, Manatthetop saw red.... I didn't want another piece of red! However, since a post like this has been raised, here goes:
Back to Boomtown - really good
The Boomtown Rats - poor - marginally better when live, so avoids Manatthetop's Room 101
Ratified and Ratlife - poorer still - so these have to go in

Agree with Manatthetop's view on The Wall song. Snarling lyrics delivered superbly by Geldof but elongated into a 3 minute song might not have worked.

Is that a picture of Johnnie Fingers, ie the black and white photo shown when Pink/Geldof is shown in the 'is anybody out there?' scene?

The pic is shown at 1.39 and also a little just before this too. Nice little Rats in joke if it is, and it certainly looks like Johnnie. Just noticed this as I had only seen the film once or twice, not being a Pink Floyd fan, though the film is more about mental illness than Pink Floyd's music I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr-JoqFVC5E

Update: The IMD trivia site confirms the pic is of Rats keyboard player Johnnie Fingers.

-- Edited by noelindublin on Tuesday 25th of February 2014 03:40:42 PM

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Have to say I think Europe looked ugly is a nice wee song, trying to find out if this and other rats song that have yet to make it to cd, I have been looking. To date I have had no luck.

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

noelindublin wrote:
Have you heard Syd Barrett song called Rats. The lyrics make no sense, I think Syd was starting to loose it big time at this stage. Only the last verse mentions rats and Syd sings:
rats, rats lay down flat
we don't need you, we act like that
and if you think you're un-loved
then we know about that...
rats, rats, lay down flat!
yes, yes, yes, yes, lay down flat!

Fcuk me! Isn't that the Geldof method?

I can't wait for the LP. Apparently the tracklisting is

Rats in Boomtown
Ratatouille
Ratchet
X-Rated
Rational
Rat Pack
Rattan in the Garden
Ratzenburger is a Ham
Rattlesnake
I'd Rather be in Boomtown than the pub in the middle of the fcukin desert. (OK, I made this one up, cos that'd be really fcuking stupid, with no mention of Rat in the title)

Mark L · Loudmouth

You introduced it without knowing!

Rat is in Rather!

Jules · The biggest Geldof fan in the world, bar none!

It sound as though you're a little ratted ArrGee.

-- Edited by Jules on Wednesday 26th of February 2014 06:02:03 AM

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

Mark L wrote:
You introduced it without knowing!
Rat is in Rather!

LOL - Was concentrating on the Boomtown in that one!

noelindublin · Loudmouth

manatthetop wrote:
Have to say I think Europe looked ugly is a nice wee song, trying to find out if this and other rats song that have yet to make it to cd, I have been looking. To date I have had no luck.

I thought everybody agreed that the songs sound better on vinyl? The 12 " single of House On Fire contained a very high quality recording of Europe Looked Ugly and it's easy enough to get a good condition copy on Ebay.

Most of the Rats back catalogue is on cd but the few remaining tracks can always be found on vinyl. Believe it or not I don't have a record player to play vinyl but there is such a trend for reissuing high quality vinyl albums, and also most good music is out on vinyl that there must be something in this vinyl argument.

Europe Looked Ugly is a brilliant Rats track. Geldof at his most wearied and cynical, despairingly asking 'what do we do now?' I rate this song very highly, as do most others if you look at the B side ratings. To The Bitter End is similar in tone, so Geldof and the band are expressing feeling the doubtless felt around 1981/82.

noelindublin · Loudmouth

Mark L wrote:
Same as you, except quite like Storm Breaks.
Not keen on Mood Mambo either.

Like House On Fire the backing brass/horns totally sound dominates A Storm Breaks, leaving little room for the Rats basic sound. It that sense I find it more of an imported sound, and it looses some marks. Though I don't dislike it there is just too much 'outside help' to cherish it too dearly.

The imagery in the lyrics is quite good. Bob has a thing about storms and rain, if you examine his lyrics carefully.

Mark L · Loudmouth

Ships struggling in storms certainly feature in Million Years and Drag me Down, not to mention the desperate seas in Over Again and the heavy rains coming, in Back to Boomtown. Throw in Rain itself, Storm Breaks and the seas in Banana Republic and you have a point.

The sea was so calm however in Graveyard.....

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

noelindublin wrote:
Believe it or not I don't have a record player to play vinyl but there is such a trend for reissuing high quality vinyl albums, and also most good music is out on vinyl that there must be something in this vinyl argument.

Go and treat yourself, plenty of standalone turntables for about £40 on Amazon and then you can pick up LPs at charity shops for a pound or two.

These days I don't buy many, if any CDs. It's either MP3 or even better vinyl with MP3s via Amazon with auto rip. The LPs are more expensive, but as they actually get played, a better deal. I only buy the CD to rip them as single MP3s. Most of my CDs languish in storage whereas the LPs and singles are mostly by the turntable.

Regarding sound quality, you have to spend a few quid to get that but a really good turntable (Project Elemental) can be obtained for £150 and allied to a good amp and speakers would match up to any CD set up.

The important thing with vinyl is to love the clicks and pops as they make the records unique

noelindublin · Loudmouth

Mark L wrote:
Ships struggling in storms certainly feature in Million Years and Drag me Down, not to mention the desperate seas in Over Again and the heavy rains coming, in Back to Boomtown. Throw in Rain itself, Storm Breaks and the seas in Banana Republic and you have a point.

The sea was so calm however in Graveyard.....

Theres also Bobs In The Pouring Rain.

A Gospel Song:When the wind blows through October skies

And you wake up in the cold twilight

When the rain falls from the blackened sky
There's a heart breaking but it feels alright

from love or Something :But like a cardboard suitcase in the pouring rain

She falls apart on me and then we start again

From Let It Go:It's not nice to be like ice

It's much better if you feel like fire
Yes there's a bad moon coming up
And I can see it's on the cusp
Electric winds are shrieking up in the wires
But it's a warm evening out

From The Bitter End: When the wind bites cold/ look at the rain/ England in May.....

From Shes a lover:s being raining and Ive been sitting here all afternoon

It started snowing so I turned the light on in my room
Shes a lover but the lovings gone

Blow:Blow, hateful wind,

Cold on faithless skin.
Higher than the highest high,
Love will find a way to you again.

Flow, bitter seas,
Thrown down on buckled knees.
Colder than the oldest sin,
Love will find a way to you again.

Probably lots more but these should prove my point. smile

noelindublin · Loudmouth

ArrGee wrote:
noelindublin wrote:
Believe it or not I don't have a record player to play vinyl but there is such a trend for reissuing high quality vinyl albums, and also most good music is out on vinyl that there must be something in this vinyl argument.
Go and treat yourself, plenty of standalone turntables for about £40 on Amazon and then you can pick up LPs at charity shops for a pound or two.
These days I don't buy many, if any CDs. It's either MP3 or even better vinyl with MP3s via Amazon with auto rip. The LPs are more expensive, but as they actually get played, a better deal. I only buy the CD to rip them as single MP3s. Most of my CDs languish in storage whereas the LPs and singles are mostly by the turntable.
Regarding sound quality, you have to spend a few quid to get that but a really good turntable (Project Elemental) can be obtained for £150 and allied to a good amp and speakers would match up to any CD set up.
The important thing with vinyl is to love the clicks and pops as they make the records unique

Thanks for the advice ArrGee. I'm sure I could get my act together and buy a good quality turntable at some stage. just not sure if paying four times the amount for a record as compared with a cd really justified the cost. And it might prevent me from travelling around to see the Rats on tour. But all those vinyl albums I see in HMV or Tower always look so sexy, and hugable.

I am not a huge hi fi buff,and I have a pretty adequate cd system so that is ok for the moment. Like most I have a limited budget. smile

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

noelindublin wrote:
But all those vinyl albums I see in HMV or Tower always look so sexy, and hugable.

I don't go to HMV or anywhere else that sells new vinyl as it's too expensive. Did treat myself to Stone Roses LP the other day as it was about a tenner on Amazon, but the real upside is finding a mint album in a charity shop or record & tape exchange for a couple of quid. Sadly these days the shops look up the LPs on eBay so there are few real bargains, but if like me you like pretty unremarkable bands, you can get a lot of good stuff. I even got a mint copy of Surfacing for £3 fairly recently.

manatthetop · In the Long Grass

Lp records so hard to beat/ I have already pointed out b4 that the reissued cds are not of good sound I got the us ones when they came why back in 87 the sound is great

ArrGee · Back To Boomtown

manatthetop wrote:
Lp records so hard to beat/ I have already pointed out b4 that the reissued cds are not of good sound I got the us ones when they came why back in 87 the sound is great

Some LPs are really bad pressings. The UK Mondo Bongo is really bad, with Fall Down near unlistenable thanks to the groove cramming, and the UK Long Grass is almost a Flexi disc, so flimsy is the vinyl. The US LPs are better, notably Tonic and Long Grass. It would be nice if they were reissued on vinyl, but given the quality of the CD remasters, I'd not expect them to be worth getting. Will keep checking the charity shops to get replacements for my over played copies.